Buena reflexión y análisis. Me alegra haber encontrado personas que reflexionan y se acercan a la realidad de nuestra vivencia actual. Sólo la verdad creará una sociedad verdaderamente justa y libre. Hasta tanto hay que seguir trabajando por la verdad y promoviéndolo. Gracias
Was there any connection between Maurice Joly and Karl Marx and Engels? Did Joly influence them or did they influence Joly? Lately, I have come across some Marxist bloggers presenting some materials talking about 1848 and 1851. Marx apparently wrote much about Louis Napoleon and even coined a term: "Bonapartism" which Marxists still use today to describe situations. "Bonapartism" apparently is a process by which a part of the ruling class fights against another part of the ruling class and begins to appropriate, or fake, socialist reforms and measures and suppresses other members of the Capitalist Class. What comes out as a result is a kind of "Synthetic Left" or fake Left whereby it has the outward look of Leftism or Progressivism but is really just to bolster the top echelons of the Capitalist Class and preserve the system of the rulers. The way you described Joly's works reminds me of that, or vice versa.
But this could just be superficial. I have not read enough of Marx OR Joly to know the ins and outs of that situation. What I DON'T see coming from these Marxists is the idea that the fatal flaw of Modern Democracy was that the Parliament allowed the Executive to create a secret intelligence service. That angle is different from Marx's angle, I find, as Marx seems to be focused more on talking about Class, who owns the means of production, and about whether or not Profit is in command. So, same situation, same thing, different angles of approach, different vectors of direction for critique. Interesting. I was wondering what Marx would have thought of Joly and vice versa.
Buena reflexión y análisis. Me alegra haber encontrado personas que reflexionan y se acercan a la realidad de nuestra vivencia actual. Sólo la verdad creará una sociedad verdaderamente justa y libre. Hasta tanto hay que seguir trabajando por la verdad y promoviéndolo. Gracias
Was there any connection between Maurice Joly and Karl Marx and Engels? Did Joly influence them or did they influence Joly? Lately, I have come across some Marxist bloggers presenting some materials talking about 1848 and 1851. Marx apparently wrote much about Louis Napoleon and even coined a term: "Bonapartism" which Marxists still use today to describe situations. "Bonapartism" apparently is a process by which a part of the ruling class fights against another part of the ruling class and begins to appropriate, or fake, socialist reforms and measures and suppresses other members of the Capitalist Class. What comes out as a result is a kind of "Synthetic Left" or fake Left whereby it has the outward look of Leftism or Progressivism but is really just to bolster the top echelons of the Capitalist Class and preserve the system of the rulers. The way you described Joly's works reminds me of that, or vice versa.
But this could just be superficial. I have not read enough of Marx OR Joly to know the ins and outs of that situation. What I DON'T see coming from these Marxists is the idea that the fatal flaw of Modern Democracy was that the Parliament allowed the Executive to create a secret intelligence service. That angle is different from Marx's angle, I find, as Marx seems to be focused more on talking about Class, who owns the means of production, and about whether or not Profit is in command. So, same situation, same thing, different angles of approach, different vectors of direction for critique. Interesting. I was wondering what Marx would have thought of Joly and vice versa.