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PN Schwartz's avatar

no real quibbles with any of it. I will make the points that imo, given what Brzezinski said and the US's repeated empowerment of jihadists, the notion that the US was ever fighting *against* jihadists in Afghanistan or Iraq is absurd. The only thing that makes sense, per US policy as well as per US propaganda, is that the US was fighting 'islamophobes'--anti-fascist/secular people (likely mostly unobservant Muslims), while US media told us fairy tales about 'isis' and similar kayfabe characters that we have absolutely no way of knowing if they existed in any way.

Think about it: the notion of the Pentagon fighting against jihadists while also giving hundreds of millions of dollars to fatah/hamas is just ridiculous. And the US also fought islamophobes in the Balkans (as you and Jared) have documented amply.

So I'd merely posit that the US has spent 47 years fighting resistance to jihad, while lying in western media and inventing kayfabe nonsense like 'we're fighting isis!!!'.

Wrt Iran, something different is definitely going on. I wonder if Israel is using all her powers to force the US to fight against jihad--and the US has to placate some 'societal grammar' (or whatever your term is) by actually helping Israel, but is obviously deploying ALL propaganda efforts imaginable to get regular people to despise Israel and push for the US to stop killing jihadists. This seems to be what is going on. Trump, the political-wrestling entertainer of course just plays his role and decides nothing. Trump has magically been absolved of running a Jewhate propaganda campaign (even though this has been going on throughout his presidency).

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Okay, so the MOR model makes sense, far as it has gone to date.

"The US bosses are covert totalitarian antisemites, working to produce, by proxy, a jihadi genocide of the Jewish people in the State of Israel."

Yet in this round there is a powerful driver not yet factored in - 80 million Iranian people who want their secular freedoms back. The only reason they haven't risen up against the tattered regime is because they were told to wait for a ceasefire. But as of 2 days ago armed civilians have already begun to take revenge on the IRGC and Basij. According to Iranian insiders, the nation is overwhelmingly pro-Israel, except for the 5% still loyal to the ayatollahs. So is the most likely leader of the transition government, Reza Pahlavi.

For the model to work this time, the US bosses would need to forcibly change the direction of that momentum 180 degrees, using... what?

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