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PN Schwartz's avatar

6/15--looks like Trump has officially rescued the irgc, solidifying all theories that he's just another pro-jihadi stooge for the establishment, an actor. And *this* is why the dems had to run DeSantis out of the race.

Oh--and Trump told us that Iran won't have a nuclear weapon--because Iran 'agreed to that, with strong policing powers'!!! And Iran doesn't lie, for US media has reassured me that only Bibi is deceptive, nary an iota of propaganda on the irgc being a less than 100% honorable partner in peace...

Francisco Gil-White's avatar

Yup. All our predictions coming true. But we never doubted that. It was impossible that it could turn out any other way.

Eve Bieber's avatar

Some famous Holocaust survivor pointed out that it is not the psychopathic leaders we need to fear, but the mid-level people (from beaurocrats to SWAT teams) who eagerly carry out their orders, because they are vested in the system.

I'd go further after the 10/7 massacre and say that the psychopathic leaders have succeeded in both awakening and giving license to the antisemitism that had lain dormant in many every day people's hearts, as well as in indoctrinating the young to, against plainly visible evidence to the contrary, think of Israel and the Jews who support it as the villains.

This has created the sort of cognitive dissonance in the general public wherein the mayors of cities overrun with "Asians" raping and murdering on a massive scale, are elected and re-elected., as are psychopathic PMs. In Canada and Denmark, to name just two countries, citizens are not even allowed to defend themselves from attacks, they must await the police. Meanwhile citizens are seen on videos cheering Islamist parades that march through their cities, some clapping cheerfully with their children, others waving fakestinian flags from their apartment windows. The hatred of the Jewish state, in other words, makes them willing to go so far as to deny the dangers to themselves, and to accept with equanimity the violence from both the (invited) invaders and the government that their neighbors and children endure.

As always, there are the outstanding few who stand out in opposition to this age old self-destructive behavior, often endangering themselves and their families in the process. For their sakes, I'd very much like to see Western civilization saved. I'm just not sure there are enough of them to do anymore than be remembered as the righteous souls who fought and sacrificed against the current bout of gleeful madness that's affecting every level of the population, not just the bosses.

Eve Bieber's avatar

Would this person accept a mayor, or any elected leader, who did not protect her city/state/nation? She would and how:

https://x.com/MichaelShurkin/status/2063947251316031518?s=20

Hannah W's avatar

Well, the history is certainly compelling. And it does seem that other news sources are becoming suspicious of Trump's pattern of behavior

But I still say the MOR Iran predictions need to factor in 80 million angry Iranians, whose reality the bosses may not be able to manage.

And as for Trump's smug comment, “Netanyahu … will do whatever I ask him to do....” That is being put to the test even as I type this (7/jun/26 -- 23:30 Israel time)

"US President Donald Trump says he is going to call Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 'right now' to tell him not to hit back at Iran following tonight’s missile attacks from Tehran on northern Israel."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-im-calling-netanyahu-right-now-to-tell-him-not-to-retaliate-for-irans-missile-attacks/

And about an hour ago Israel did bomb Beirut, after Trump 'gave the order' not to.

Francisco Gil-White's avatar

But Hannah, MOR's predictions have absolutely nothing to do with the Iranian population. We are not trying to predict them, and the MOR model says nothing about them. The MOR model is a model of the geopolitical intentions of the US bosses.

Whatever the Iranian population does, Trump and the other US bosses will keep trying to destroy Israel with their jihadis.

And whether Netanyahu always obeys Trump's orders or not, what we are in the business of predicting are Trump's orders. In other words, our model is a model about what Trump WILL TRY TO DO, not what he will succeed in doing.

We have a scientific model of the intentions and goals of the US bosses. We do not have an oracle that looks into the future to predict precise outcomes of anything. The only thing we can predict is what the US bosses WILL TRY to do.

We predict the US bosses will (somehow) protect the jihadi structure against Israel. What we are seeing right now is the following sequence:

Under Hezbollah fire, Trump told Israel not to fire back. Then Israel fired back and Iran lobbed missiles at us. Then Trump told Israel not to fire back at Iran because he has almost got them to sign his “nuclear deal” and he doesn’t want Israel messing that up!

Result: consistent with MOR’s predictions: Trump is restraining Israel (or TRYING to) in order to protect the ayatollahs (because the nuclear deal protects the ayatollahs -- it is the substitute policy to the regime change that Trump had promised after the ayatollahs killed thousands of Iranians). This result is diametrically opposite to what the rival mainstream model—of alleged US boss alliance with Israel—predicts.

We can’t predict the future outcomes with any kind of precision. The only thing we can predict, in broad terms, is what the US bosses WILL TRY to do: they will try to protect jihadism, and they will try to undermine Israel. That is precisely what we do see. Once again.

If the Iranians rise, more power to them. But that won’t change what we expect the US bosses to do, and that is all that our theory is about. If the Iranians rise, the US bosses will adapt and find another way to support jihadism against Israel. That is the MOR prediction, in any case.

Hannah W's avatar

Fair enough, and thank you for that important distinction.

So the MOR model is holding up well, to put it mildly.

My other nagging question is, does recognition of this consistent effort give us any practical way to fight it? It seems fatalistic otherwise.

The conclusion is that the bosses have such an entrenched hold on remaking civilization that they cannot be dislodged. Nor can they be reformed (in political terms) or converted (in spiritual terms). They will go on trying to destroy the Jews until they succeed. Or until the end of the world as we know it.

I've already expressed the confidence that the second outcome will happen before the first does.

But meanwhile there's got to be a use for this coherent model other than just predicting the darkness correctly, decade after decade, and saying "we told you so"....

Francisco Gil-White's avatar

Those who recognize that the MOR model is explaining the world, and who would like to live in a different world, need to contribute whatever they can to the effort of making others understand the MOR model. If all Westerners understand reality, then they can change it.

The very reason that the bosses spend BILLIONS of dollars managing your reality is that, if they don't, their entire system falls apart. Everything they do requires many thousands, millions, of useful idiots toiling away in various bureaucracies, public and private, not understanding who they really work for or what they are doing.

If they are enlightened, everything changes.

So... put your shoulder to the wheel Hannah! Yes, there is a use for this coherent model. The use is to make the model universally known. Then everything changes. Our effort should therefore be focused on education and communication.

I don't think we should be unduly fatalistic. We have tools of communication that present an opportunity like the one that presented itself with the advent of the movable-type printing press (Gutenberg). At that time, Westerners chafed under totalitarian theocracy. But the printing press made possible the transformation of the West. We can transform it again. But we have to do it. We can't just read and comment. We have to get out there and exert effort, contribute money (thank you), and in any way that we can, contribute to increasing awareness. I recommend that everybody open a YouTube channel.